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    La Palma Island could cause Mega Tsunami..Or Not?

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    Post  socalshakin Thu 18 Feb 2010, 11:54 pm

    http://armageddononline.tripod.com/tsunamis.htm

    I found this article today. Not sure how old it is, not that it really matters I guess. It talked about the island of La Palma in the Canary Islands off North Africa, which is in danger of collapsing. If the western flank collapsed into the Atlantic, similar to what happened in 1949, but didn't stop and kept going.. It could supposedly cause a mega tsunami 900 meters high, which by the time it reached the East Coast would be about 50 meters high, stretch the entire coast and travel 20 miles inland, wiping out everything in it's path. Skyscrapers, bridges, everything.

    I've found articles saying the wave height would be 10-25m, so not sure if 50 meters was an exaggeration or not.

    THEN, I found this article basically debunking the findings that La Palma would collapse and produce a killer tsunami.

    http://www.lapalma-tsunami.com/tsunami.html

    Curious to hear from possibly Don or Petra on this Question
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    Post  April/NC Sat 20 Feb 2010, 4:50 am

    I saw a special about that years ago on the discovery channel, saying yes that could happen.
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    Post  Earth Watcher Sat 20 Feb 2010, 12:18 pm



    Part 1 of 5 from Discovery Channel about La Palma and a tsunami that would occur if the island split and feel into the ocean.
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    Post  April/NC Sun 21 Feb 2010, 12:10 am

    Cool, Thanks!!!
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    Post  Don in Hollister Sun 21 Feb 2010, 5:26 am

    Hi Socalshaken. Something to keep in mind is the Horizon program sole purpose is to make money and hype sells.

    The worlds scientific experts have shown the "research" by Ward/Day/McGuire to be incorrect, unproven and wildly exaggerated in the Horizon program and subsequent interviews. It is not based on scientific facts.

    The island is stable. Only a substantial increase in height could cause it to become unstable and at the current rate of growth that would take at least 10,000 years.

    The current quake activity in the area is not occurring at La Palma, but at another island some distance from it.

    Any place on the coast is at risk of tsunamis, and the East Coast is no exception. In 1929, a magnitude 7.2 earthquake in Newfoundland triggered a large underwater slump that ruptured the new transatlantic cable in 12 places. The slump also produced a tsunami that was recorded along the eastern seaboard as far south as South Carolina and across the Atlantic Ocean in Portugal. In Newfoundland, the tsunami reached heights of over 20 feet and claimed 29 lives. Take Care...Don

    From Wikipedia:

    In a BBC Horizon program broadcast on October 12, 2000, two geologists (Day and McGuire) cited this rift as proof that half of the Cumbre Vieja had slipped towards the Atlantic Ocean (Day et al., 1999; Ward and Day, 2001). They suggested that this process was driven by the pressure caused by the rising magma heating water trapped within the structure of the island. They hypothesised that during a future eruption, the western flank of the Cumbre Vieja, with a mass of approximately 1.5 x1015 kg, could slide into the ocean. This could then potentially generate a giant wave which they termed a "megatsunami" around 650-900 m high in the region of the islands. The wave would radiate out across the Atlantic and inundate the eastern seaboard of North America including the American, the Caribbean and northern coasts of South America some six to eight hours later. They estimate that the tsunami will have waves possibly 1,000 ft (305 m) or more high causing massive devastation along the coastlines. Modeling suggests that the tsunami could inundate up to 25 km (16 mi) inland - depending upon topography. The basis for Ward and Day (1999) modeling the collapse of a much larger portion of the western flank than the currently visible surface fissures suggest is unstable was evidence from geological mapping by Day et al. 1999. In this paper they argue that a large part of the western flank has been constructed in the scar of a previous collapse and therefore sits upon unstable debris.

    The claim was also explored in a BBC docu-drama called End Day which went through several hypothetical scenarios of disastrous proportions.

    However, the Tsunami Society (Pararas-Carayannis, 2002), published a statement stating "... We would like to halt the scaremongering from these unfounded reports ..." The major points raised in this report include:

    * The claim that half of Cumbre Vieja dropped 4 m (13 ft) during the 1949 eruption is erroneous, and contradicted by physical evidence.
    * No evidence was sought or shown that there is a fault line separating a "block" of La Palma from the other half.
    * Physical evidence shows a 4 km (2 mi) long line in the rock, but the models assumed a 25 km (16 mi) line, for which no physical evidence was given. Further, there is no evidence shown that the 4 km (2 mi) long line extends beyond the surface.
    * There has never been an Atlantic megatsunami in recorded history.

    Other workers also disagree with the hypothesis of Day et al.; (1999) and Ward and Day (2001). In fact no scientists have expressed support for their speculations.

    In September 2006 a team of research scientists at the highly regarded Technical University of Delft in the Netherlands published the findings of their research into the La Palma Tsunami phenomenon. Their research was highly critical of the 'Day' theory. They built several models similar to that of Day et al., but even with parameters exceeding the realms of reasonable possibility they were unable to create a tsunami. Even with their most unrealistic 'worst case scenario' they only managed to predict a wave of between 15 and 100 cm (39 in).

    There is however, a consensus by geologists and volcanologists that edifice failure (large-scale collapses or mass wasting) of volcanic islands does occur and that large tsunamis have occurred in the Atlantic in the geological past. Despite this there is still no evidence reliably proving a cause and effect. All the documented large scale tsunamis in the Atlantic have been verifiably attributed to underwater earthquakes and not island collapses.[citation needed] Evidence of Tsunami deposits has been reported from the Caribbean and the Canary Islands. Since the 1990s the area has been (and continues to be), monitored and no movement has been detected.[citation needed] Ongoing and recent (2008) monitoring shows that the dimensions accord with those recorded in 1949. Thereby indicating that the block has not moved since 1949[citation needed]. Controversial evidence on the island of Bermuda is said to be tsunamite deposited by a tsunami that was generated by edifice failure on the adjacent island of El Hierro.

    The actual distances involved in the 1949 rift are as follows: horizontal ~1 metre, vertical ~2 metres. Volume involved of the whole of the Cumbre Vieja is ~5 x 1011 m3 with an estimated mass of 1.5 x 1015 kg.

    http://www.lapalma-tsunami.com/

    http://www.physorg.com/news77977989.html

    http://www.ign.es/ign/es/IGN/Sismologia10Espana.jsp

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Palma[url][/url]
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    Post  socalshakin Sun 21 Feb 2010, 6:24 am

    Don in Hollister wrote:Hi Socalshaken. Something to keep in mind is the Horizon program sole purpose is to make money and hype sells.

    The worlds scientific experts have shown the "research" by Ward/Day/McGuire to be incorrect, unproven and wildly exaggerated in the Horizon program and subsequent interviews. It is not based on scientific facts.

    The island is stable. Only a substantial increase in height could cause it to become unstable and at the current rate of growth that would take at least 10,000 years.

    The current quake activity in the area is not occurring at La Palma, but at another island some distance from it.

    Any place on the coast is at risk of tsunamis, and the East Coast is no exception. In 1929, a magnitude 7.2 earthquake in Newfoundland triggered a large underwater slump that ruptured the new transatlantic cable in 12 places. The slump also produced a tsunami that was recorded along the eastern seaboard as far south as South Carolina and across the Atlantic Ocean in Portugal. In Newfoundland, the tsunami reached heights of over 20 feet and claimed 29 lives. Take Care...Don

    From Wikipedia:

    In a BBC Horizon program broadcast on October 12, 2000, two geologists (Day and McGuire) cited this rift as proof that half of the Cumbre Vieja had slipped towards the Atlantic Ocean (Day et al., 1999; Ward and Day, 2001). They suggested that this process was driven by the pressure caused by the rising magma heating water trapped within the structure of the island. They hypothesised that during a future eruption, the western flank of the Cumbre Vieja, with a mass of approximately 1.5 x1015 kg, could slide into the ocean. This could then potentially generate a giant wave which they termed a "megatsunami" around 650-900 m high in the region of the islands. The wave would radiate out across the Atlantic and inundate the eastern seaboard of North America including the American, the Caribbean and northern coasts of South America some six to eight hours later. They estimate that the tsunami will have waves possibly 1,000 ft (305 m) or more high causing massive devastation along the coastlines. Modeling suggests that the tsunami could inundate up to 25 km (16 mi) inland - depending upon topography. The basis for Ward and Day (1999) modeling the collapse of a much larger portion of the western flank than the currently visible surface fissures suggest is unstable was evidence from geological mapping by Day et al. 1999. In this paper they argue that a large part of the western flank has been constructed in the scar of a previous collapse and therefore sits upon unstable debris.

    The claim was also explored in a BBC docu-drama called End Day which went through several hypothetical scenarios of disastrous proportions.

    However, the Tsunami Society (Pararas-Carayannis, 2002), published a statement stating "... We would like to halt the scaremongering from these unfounded reports ..." The major points raised in this report include:

    * The claim that half of Cumbre Vieja dropped 4 m (13 ft) during the 1949 eruption is erroneous, and contradicted by physical evidence.
    * No evidence was sought or shown that there is a fault line separating a "block" of La Palma from the other half.
    * Physical evidence shows a 4 km (2 mi) long line in the rock, but the models assumed a 25 km (16 mi) line, for which no physical evidence was given. Further, there is no evidence shown that the 4 km (2 mi) long line extends beyond the surface.
    * There has never been an Atlantic megatsunami in recorded history.

    Other workers also disagree with the hypothesis of Day et al.; (1999) and Ward and Day (2001). In fact no scientists have expressed support for their speculations.

    In September 2006 a team of research scientists at the highly regarded Technical University of Delft in the Netherlands published the findings of their research into the La Palma Tsunami phenomenon. Their research was highly critical of the 'Day' theory. They built several models similar to that of Day et al., but even with parameters exceeding the realms of reasonable possibility they were unable to create a tsunami. Even with their most unrealistic 'worst case scenario' they only managed to predict a wave of between 15 and 100 cm (39 in).

    There is however, a consensus by geologists and volcanologists that edifice failure (large-scale collapses or mass wasting) of volcanic islands does occur and that large tsunamis have occurred in the Atlantic in the geological past. Despite this there is still no evidence reliably proving a cause and effect. All the documented large scale tsunamis in the Atlantic have been verifiably attributed to underwater earthquakes and not island collapses.[citation needed] Evidence of Tsunami deposits has been reported from the Caribbean and the Canary Islands. Since the 1990s the area has been (and continues to be), monitored and no movement has been detected.[citation needed] Ongoing and recent (2008) monitoring shows that the dimensions accord with those recorded in 1949. Thereby indicating that the block has not moved since 1949[citation needed]. Controversial evidence on the island of Bermuda is said to be tsunamite deposited by a tsunami that was generated by edifice failure on the adjacent island of El Hierro.

    The actual distances involved in the 1949 rift are as follows: horizontal ~1 metre, vertical ~2 metres. Volume involved of the whole of the Cumbre Vieja is ~5 x 1011 m3 with an estimated mass of 1.5 x 1015 kg.

    http://www.lapalma-tsunami.com/

    http://www.physorg.com/news77977989.html

    http://www.ign.es/ign/es/IGN/Sismologia10Espana.jsp

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Palma[url][/url]

    Thank you Don! You can't always believe what you read on the internet and this truly shows how overhyped something can be. Refreshing to know this would not be a likely cause for a tsunami. I didn't know about the 1929 Newfoundland quake, that's fascinating and I will look more at that on Wikipedia.
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    Post  Don in Hollister Sun 21 Feb 2010, 9:40 am

    Hi Socalshakin. You're welcome. Thought you might like to see where the quakes are occurring in relation to La Palma.

    When I was in the Air Force I spent 6 days at the Canary Islands. There wasn't very much to see when I was there. That was many years ago. Take Care...Don

    catalog=ANSS
    start_time=1898/01/01,00:00:00
    end_time=2010/02/21,09:23:05
    minimum_magnitude=3.0
    maximum_magnitude=10
    event_type=E
    delta=0 km to 160 km from (28.714,-17.831)

    Date Time Lat Lon Depth Mag Magt Nst Gap Clo RMS SRC Event ID
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    1990/01/08 21:23:08.20 28.3130 -16.9250 10.00 3.20 Unk 4 1.22 NEI 199001084033
    1990/05/20 11:20:10.70 29.4030 -16.8600 33.00 3.90 Unk 6 0.58 NEI 199005204024
    1990/06/05 21:04:25.35 27.8370 -17.9950 33.00 3.60 Unk 5 1.28 NEI 199006054032
    1990/06/07 05:08:29.28 27.8250 -18.0410 33.00 3.10 Unk 5 1.24 NEI 199006074006
    1990/09/12 17:05:40.80 27.8520 -17.9620 33.00 3.30 Unk 4 0.54 NEI 199009124032
    1991/02/16 11:59:18.10 27.9070 -17.7750 10.00 3.60 Unk 5 1.02 NEI 199102164026
    1992/03/24 10:40:58.43 28.8480 -16.8710 10.00 3.40 Unk 4 0.77 NEI 199203244012
    1992/09/12 16:49:44.33 27.9220 -17.7950 10.00 3.40 Unk 5 1.13 NEI 199209124038
    1993/04/09 16:04:30.31 28.0370 -16.8990 10.00 3.10 Unk 5 1.46 NEI 199304094039
    1996/01/19 06:15:56.86 29.3060 -16.4030 33.00 3.30 ML 4 0.08 NEI 199601194013
    1998/01/15 08:44:31.40 27.5500 -17.7000 2.40 3.80 ML 5 0.00 MDD 199801151029
    1998/03/22 04:27:31.30 27.7000 -17.6700 0.00 3.90 Mb 13 0.00 MDD 199803222012
    2001/03/09 00:55:09.60 27.4250 -17.5770 30.00 3.40 ML 5 0.00 MDD 200103094002
    2001/08/15 03:30:27.85 28.4410 -16.6600 20.40 3.10 ML 4 0.00 MDD 200108154008
    2003/05/06 06:29:57.89 27.7200 -18.1070 21.30 4.20 ML 10 0.00 MDD 200305064012
    2004/05/11 20:31:11.24 28.3440 -16.7320 2.70 3.00 ML 9 0.00 MDD 200405114081
    2004/06/26 12:50:28.84 29.0850 -16.2840 58.80 3.80 Unk 6 0.00 MDD 200406264061
    2005/11/22 11:32:22.63 28.5840 -16.7080 38.60 4.10 Unk 8 0.00 MDD 200511224022
    2005/12/07 06:02:00.66 29.4580 -16.7650 77.50 3.90 Unk 17 0.00 MDD 200512074018
    2006/03/15 17:03:42.95 28.9780 -16.7600 59.90 4.10 Unk 7 0.00 MDD 200603154061
    2007/10/05 17:31:59.14 27.5480 -17.2650 26.10 4.60 Mb 10 0.00 MDD 200710054061

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